… getting survivors in one room isn’t as easy as it sounds. Tell us about that. We know that when breast cancer survivors are in a group, the social support and … “Oh, all change is bad, it can only water down the intervention,” but now we know in implementation science, when you put it out in the real world, practicing … evidence we want to push from the ivory tower into practice, but then there's also practice-based evidence that the ivory tower wants to learn from, so I think …